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quote: Ja, en 99.9% van wat op deze site staat is Nederlands. En nu in 1 draadje pak em beet 10 Engelse berichtjes. Ik zie echt het punt niet. Leven en laten leven. |
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quote:Op donderdag 04 oktober 2012 - 18:13 schreef Javid het volgende:[..] If you want do discuss some history i`m ready. Keep your arrogant "Do some research"s for yourself. The history of Ajax of last 20 years proceeded before my eyes.What were there in 80`s i know from books journals and internet sources.What was before the Case of David Endt as a chronicler of Ajax. Arrogant one of the keys words of the Ajax history ;) You aint talking with an Ajax mind, the things you are saying dont make sense at all.
Give the players more salary = cant if we want to enjoy our club more then 5 years.
Sell players for more money = if we dont sell them for that amount they walk the next year for free to another club.
Why Ajax dont follow the examples of teams in Russia= what we pay for our whole squad they pay for couple of player. With salaries that can pay of for 5 Ajax players.
Play like Jol = Still figuring out why Ajax people excepted that, think because of Suarez and Huntelaar he extended his period at Ajax. Its quit simple if you dont play the Ajax style there is a bomb tikking under youre chair. We supps want to see a recoqnisable Ajax with good positional and technical play, its in our vains!!
All these points you want to discuss are for the most clear and luckely also in the boardroom, theres is simply no discussion to make ;) |
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quote:Op donderdag 04 oktober 2012 - 21:43 schreef Mokum1 het volgende:Denk alleen dat het voor hem nix aan is, zullen maar een paar reageren en het is al zo druk. Die is pleite voordat je het weet.. Weeet niet waar die gozer vandaan komt??....... |
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quote:Op donderdag 04 oktober 2012 - 21:31 schreef Javid het volgende:ik ben het niet google translator.So zijn er beperkingen door regels? Want als dat zo is, laat ik nu en voor altijd No, not forbidden in the rules. As long as it wont happen in every topic I won't mind for now.
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quote:Op donderdag 04 oktober 2012 - 21:29 schreef Mokum1 het volgende:[..] Arrogant one of the keys words of the Ajax history ;) You aint talking with an Ajax mind, the things you are saying dont make sense at all. Give the players more salary = cant if we want to enjoy our club more then 5 years. Sell players for more money = if we dont sell them for that amount they walk the next year for free to another club. Why Ajax dont follow the examples of teams in Russia= what we pay for our whole squad they pay for couple of player. With salaries that can pay of for 5 Ajax players. Play like Jol = Still figuring out why Ajax people excepted that, think because of Suarez and Huntelaar he extended his period at Ajax. Its quit simple if you dont play the Ajax style there is a bomb tikking under youre chair. We supps want to see a recoqnisable Ajax with good positional and technical play, its in our vains!! All these points you want to discuss are for the most clear and luckely also in the boardroom, theres is simply no discussion to make ;) At the heart of the European liberalism the rights and freedom of the person lie. Including freedom to have own opinion on any questions. Fine, humane, and ennobled ideology. Unfortunately as it is found out among fans of the Ajax, it often accepts the ugly form. Some of fans like you, remind the present fascists because completely deny the right of people to have other opinion, not such as their own. "You can have any belief while they don't disperse from ours". The informal slogan of a national socialist German workers' party headed by Adolf Hitler was such.
If you with us - that you against system. You recognize Cruyff`s policy as unique true, you rush shit towards a management - you are real ajax minded fan.
If not so, and at you have other opinion, then you are wild Russian, mad, fan of P$V which try to look like the fan of Ajax and so on.
Also i want to respond shortly to all of your statments:
1. You are so deaply bealive that Ajax have not money.Where from? you have hidden source in managment? or Van Der Aat reports you every year of teams financial achievment?
Let me guess.It is all because catalan moron once said that we must do with own youth. yep?By the way, open transfermarkt.de and count how much ajax earned in last 10 years from transfers. Figures says that here is enough money.But i`m ok. You continue to bealive in catalan bull shit.i will continue to bealive mathemathics.
2.You say that Ajax can`t sell players for good money because of expiering contracts.Ok.Is it our problem or it is problem of mismanagment?
More of that every young player as Eriksen in his first year of regular first team footballing begins to make statments like "OH!Real madrid is such a great club!i wish some day i will play there".Seems like Ajax with its 4 time european cup is fucking shit,and he wants to real some day when he will het out of this shit.
So fristly change minds.Change heads. And changes will come soon.That is only managment foul that most of players see in Ajax not a great club but just a window to top 5.
Ajax will be Ajax again when every fucking player realise what an honor to wear ajax shirt and play in front of such an incredible guys like vak410.
3.Play like Jol - I can`t say anything about that.If De boer can bring as to championiship third time, i will publically declare that i was wrong about him.But for now, as things stands i totally bealive that Jol was better.
And beside all of that, i can not undestand why you have so short memory.
It was De Boer brothers who went to court in 90`s to get rid of conract with Ajax.
And now sudden De Boer is hero.And True Ajacied.And loves Ajax very much.
What they done to Danny Blind?Real Ajax hearted man.Simply put him away like dumb.
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quote:Op donderdag 04 oktober 2012 - 21:52 schreef Boudewijn het volgende:[..] No, not forbidden in the rules. As long as it wont happen in every topic I won't mind for now. Are you native english or another country? if that matters a lot, i`m Azerbaijani curently living in Russia.Moscow. |
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quote: How come that you can read dutch???....or are you using google translator?
You know the history of Ajax very well,how come,do you have dutch ancestors |
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We want to know everything about you....how old are you....do you have children....what kind of work do you'.how did you find Headliner.
For now it's enough next time i cross fire you further |
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quote:Op donderdag 04 oktober 2012 - 22:44 schreef Nenam_tiL het volgende:[..] How come that you can read dutch???....or are you using google translator? You know the history of Ajax very well,how come,do you have dutch ancestors As i said before i`m fan of Ajax for more than 18 years.
I have no dutch ancestros.And my biggest wish someday visit Arena.Not Amsterdam but ArenA.Hope i will get there in few years when i can fully settle in Russia and stand firm on two feets by finances.
Shortly i`m the one of native persons of russian speaking ajax fans community in internet. www.superajax.com
I`m 28 years old.1 daughter.Regulary i`m railway worker by education.But for now i`m not working bacause i mooved to russia and for now waiting for the permission for legal work.I`m law abiding citizen.
Reading dutch is simple.I use google translator,and try to figure out main things as translator works sometimes not in proper way.
-- dit bericht is voor het laatst aangepast op donderdag 04 oktober 2012 door Javid -- |
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quote:Op donderdag 04 oktober 2012 - 22:52 schreef Javid het volgende:[..] As i said before i`m fan of Ajax for more than 18 years. I have no dutch ancestros.And my biggest wish someday visit Arena.Not Amsterdam but ArenA.Hope i will get there in few years when i can fully settle in Russia and stand firm on two feets by finances. Shortly i`m the one of native persons of russian speaking ajax fans community in internet. www.superajax.comI`m 28 years old.1 daughter.Regulary i`m railway worker by education.But for now i`m not working bacause i mooved to russia and for now waiting for the permission for legal work.I`m law abiding citizen. Reading dutch is simple.I use google translator,and try to figure out main things as translator works sometimes not in proper way. I understand you perfectly,so translator is working for you.
If you ever come to the Arena you can't skip Amsterdam ouwe(is dutch)and i will be your guide.
It is nice to speak whit an Ajax supporter{Ajacied)from abroard,my english is typical dutch but at least you understand me.
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quote:Op donderdag 04 oktober 2012 - 23:18 schreef Nenam_tiL het volgende:[..] I understand you perfectly,so translator is working for you. If you ever come to the Arena you can't skip Amsterdam ouwe(is dutch)and i will be your guide. It is nice to speak whit an Ajax supporter{Ajacied)from abroard,my english is typical dutch but at least you understand me. You're welcom here Thanks a lot.i really appreciate that.
And be sure same goes to you.If Ajax will ever again play with russian(Moscow) club like it was few years ago with Spartak Moscow and you decide to go out, You can stay at my place, share the dining table with my family.In short be my guest at my place.
Guiding from me is surely also granted to you =) Moscow is a nice city if you know how and where to walk. =) |
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quote:Op donderdag 04 oktober 2012 - 22:19 schreef Javid het volgende:1. You are so deaply bealive that Ajax have not money.Where from? you have hidden source in managment? or Van Der Aat reports you every year of teams financial achievment? Actually, yes. Ajax is a stock exchange listed company and is therefor required to divulge their financial status to the absolute minute detail every year. And no, it's not feasibly possible for Ajax to tamper with those numbers in any significant way.
quote:Op donderdag 04 oktober 2012 - 22:19 schreef Javid het volgende:3.Play like Jol - I can`t say anything about that.If De boer can bring as to championiship third time, i will publically declare that i was wrong about him.But for now, as things stands i totally bealive that Jol was better. 2 Championships aren't enough, but 3 are/ Kind off a weird statement that :)
quote: Blind was unpopular with the fans long before that. What did him in was putting in his lot with van Gaal. The move to make van Gaal CEO was 1. not well received and 2. was executed in a way which is simply insulting to everyone who loves Ajax. In the end Blind become the victim of his loyalty to the "old regime".
I am not really interested in starting up that entire discussion again but the old regime had 15 years to prove itself. It failed. Badly. And so winds change and the new wind is called Cruijff. And he deserves a chance. A real chance. The chance of the previous management lasted for 15 years. You (but also Boudewijn) are already complaining about the new management within a year of the actual organization getting underway. That strikes me as somewhat vengeful really.
-- dit bericht is voor het laatst aangepast op donderdag 04 oktober 2012 door Eide -- |
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quote:Op donderdag 04 oktober 2012 - 23:26 schreef Nenam_tiL het volgende:Hahahahaha doperwten engels.....maar hij snapt me wel,waar is die Hippy.....die is half engels....en voor Eide,kan me herinneren dat hij veel naar het buitenland moest(kan me vergissen) Ben veel in het buitenland, spreek op de werkplek regelmatig Engels en ben docent Engels van opleiding (lang geleden) dus ik kan het een beetje hoewel het technische deel wel slecht is geworden :D |
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quote:Op donderdag 04 oktober 2012 - 23:49 schreef Eide het volgende:[..] Ben veel in het buitenland, spreek op de werkplek regelmatig Engels en ben docent Engels van opleiding (lang geleden) dus ik kan het een beetje hoewel het technische deel wel slecht is geworden :D Ach Eide voor mij is hij gewoon welkom hoor......heb er geen moeite mee,gewoon terug lullen |
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quote:Op donderdag 04 oktober 2012 - 23:40 schreef Javid het volgende:[..] Thanks a lot.i really appreciate that. And be sure same goes to you.If Ajax will ever again play with russian(Moscow) club like it was few years ago with Spartak Moscow and you decide to go out, You can stay at my place, share the dining table with my family.In short be my guest at my place. Guiding from me is surely also granted to you =) Moscow is a nice city if you know how and where to walk. =) I will keep that in mind,and so will you regarding to Amsterdam,we will make a lots off fun.....can't promise that you will stay sober,same for me.....BROEVA HARO
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quote:Op donderdag 04 oktober 2012 - 23:49 schreef Eide het volgende:[..] Ben veel in het buitenland, spreek op de werkplek regelmatig Engels en ben docent Engels van opleiding (lang geleden) dus ik kan het een beetje hoewel het technische deel wel slecht is geworden :D Hahahahahaha voel me nietig bij jou ouwe |
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Dear Eide.
You must be as simple as one pennie coin and pure idealist to really bealive that showing real income and transparancy of financial turnover is the things that stock exchange company interested in.
Ofcourse they will shout that there is no money. I hardly can imagine wealthy man who shouts of his millions from every corner.
And what exactly you find wired in my statement about 3rd championship?
As i say first one was shared with Jol.Second one was pure luck and weakness of main contenders at last stages.
So for me decisive one will be third one.
And what you say about Blind ok. He had put his money on the wrong horse.
But again he deserves more respect than De Boer who first sign lifetime contract with Ajax.And when Ajax goes down in 98 after painfull loss to Spartak Moscow in uefa Cup runs like a rat from sinking boat.Goes to court and begin process against the club that made him known.Then he goes to Barcelona for nandronol-doping party.
Then there was galatasaray where most laziest fans did not flute him for his pure games.
Yep.True Ajacied that needs respect.
For Blind to achieve those respectable things that your Frank did is as possible, as for me to achieve Beijing on all fours like dog.
Blind was just Ajax minded man who was with team in all ups and downs.He was bad headcoach.Maybe he was bad as technical stuff.But for one thing im sure.Blind loved and will always love ajax.As i do. And also his reputation is pure and not tainted with courting against Ajax or other shit.
http://ss.sport-express.ru/userfiles/press/0/6475/11396_345px.jpg
Nice picture. I call it "Meeting of two Judas.Judas from 90`s and Judas from 00`s"
One gets to courts. Second one assure fans till last day of trasnfer window that he is going to stay at least till winter and in last hours before window closes traits every fan and runs away to real madrid. |
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quote:Op woensdag 03 oktober 2012 - 21:48 schreef Brandje het volgende:Dit kan toch niet Franken. Dat sjokt maar over dat veld. Is altijd te laat in verdiend opzicht. Geeft nooit een beslissende pass. Scoort zelden. En dat is nog aanvoerder ook. gelukkig scoorde die wel 2x op 15 mei..
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quote:Op donderdag 04 oktober 2012 - 01:19 schreef Eide het volgende:[..] If counter football against a club sufferiing a complete offday can be called reasonable. You are comparing 2 completely different situations. You are also ignoring the fact Ajax played a very decent game against the German champions, Dortmund. If anything the Russian teams ought to be ashamed of themselves more than Ajax will ever have to be. 143 million inhabitants, utterly ridiculous money being spend on football by dubious figures and still not able to raise a decent squad. In another topic you indicated Russian fans would be stopping busses. Your comments have me wondering how ANY Russian squad makes it out of Russia with their record...(offtopic but still) So what exactly does Ajax have to be ashamed off barring a very poor first half? That it got beaten by the 2nd best team in the world? That it got beaten by a team with 7 times the bugdet it has? That is has to rely on self-trained players because it cannot afford superstars such as Ronaldo or Eto'o (20 million euros a year at Anzi, are you fucking kidding me?)? Yeah, tonight sucked. Badly. Too many players weren't on top of their game but as I indicated before, in any other group Ajax would've had a real chance of qualifying. But now they met the 2nd best team in the world (Real), the richest club in the world (Man City) and a Dortmund side which have come out on top in Germany 2 times running (beating Bayern). Unless you have an exceptional team, like the '95 squad or the '72 squad you will always struggle against teams like that, especially coming from a country where the financial and social ceiling for professional football has been reached. So, what does Ajax have to answer for barring a terrible first half? Give me an honest and realistic argument please but don't give me any of this opportunistic nonsense about BATE. (P.s. before you come up with your BATE example again, last season Ajax beat ManU, season before Ajax beat AC Milan, so you can archive that one and start looking at real examples and not the one-offs) +14
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Actually, Ajax is currently saying they do have money. For that reason the possibility of leaving the stock exchange is being researched currently. The financial problem Ajax faces is that without Champions League income Ajax will turn a loss. The only reason Ajax hasn't gone bankrupt the last 15 years is because of spectacular transfers such as those of Sneijder, Suarez and Huntelaar. To repair is fundamentally flawed situation Ajax is cutting back costs on the primary expenditure: player salaries. Less contracted players and the maximum salary has been brought back to 1.5 million a year. Yeah, 1.5 million a year. I'll point back to what Anzhi is paying Eto'o: 20 million a year.
I do not agree that the first championship was shared with Jol. The reason for that is that Jol left behind a disheartened Ajax where nobody seriously thought a championship would've been possible. Frank de Boer made that team right. The luck argument for the 2nd championship is plain lame. It doesn't matter when you gain the points, it doesn't matter who your opponent loses them. You say weakness of opponents, who's to say the pressure Ajax exerted isn't the key factor? And if that score had been achieved in a more balanced way nobody would've thought about it twice. No, luck is too easy to attribute that championship to.
Face it, Frank de Boer is doing a good job at Ajax, especially within the turmoil of the organizational changes and his lack of experience on this level. The organization now needs time to get the youth section to start performing as intended. And in a few years we'll see what the new vision at Ajax has brought us. Can't possibly be worse than the previous regime which became champions once in 15 years. |
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quote:Op vrijdag 05 oktober 2012 - 10:47 schreef Eide het volgende:Actually, Ajax is currently saying they do have money. For that reason the possibility of leaving the stock exchange is being researched currently. The financial problem Ajax faces is that without Champions League income Ajax will turn a loss. The only reason Ajax hasn't gone bankrupt the last 15 years is because of spectacular transfers such as those of Sneijder, Suarez and Huntelaar. To repair is fundamentally flawed situation Ajax is cutting back costs on the primary expenditure: player salaries. Less contracted players and the maximum salary has been brought back to 1.5 million a year. Yeah, 1.5 million a year. I'll point back to what Anzhi is paying Eto'o: 20 million a year. I do not agree that the first championship was shared with Jol. The reason for that is that Jol left behind a disheartened Ajax where nobody seriously thought a championship would've been possible. Frank de Boer made that team right. The luck argument for the 2nd championship is plain lame. It doesn't matter when you gain the points, it doesn't matter who your opponent loses them. You say weakness of opponents, who's to say the pressure Ajax exerted isn't the key factor? And if that score had been achieved in a more balanced way nobody would've thought about it twice. No, luck is too easy to attribute that championship to. Face it, Frank de Boer is doing a good job at Ajax, especially within the turmoil of the organizational changes and his lack of experience on this level. The organization now needs time to get the youth section to start performing as intended. And in a few years we'll see what the new vision at Ajax has brought us. Can't possibly be worse than the previous regime which became champions once in 15 years. +14 |
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quote:Op donderdag 04 oktober 2012 - 22:19 schreef Javid het volgende:[..] At the heart of the European liberalism the rights and freedom of the person lie. Including freedom to have own opinion on any questions. Fine, humane, and ennobled ideology. Unfortunately as it is found out among fans of the Ajax, it often accepts the ugly form. Some of fans like you, remind the present fascists because completely deny the right of people to have other opinion, not such as their own. "You can have any belief while they don't disperse from ours". The informal slogan of a national socialist German workers' party headed by Adolf Hitler was such. If you with us - that you against system. You recognize Cruyff`s policy as unique true, you rush shit towards a management - you are real ajax minded fan. If not so, and at you have other opinion, then you are wild Russian, mad, fan of P$V which try to look like the fan of Ajax and so on. Also i want to respond shortly to all of your statments: 1. You are so deaply bealive that Ajax have not money.Where from? you have hidden source in managment? or Van Der Aat reports you every year of teams financial achievment? Let me guess.It is all because catalan moron once said that we must do with own youth. yep?By the way, open transfermarkt.de and count how much ajax earned in last 10 years from transfers. Figures says that here is enough money.But i`m ok. You continue to bealive in catalan bull shit.i will continue to bealive mathemathics. 2.You say that Ajax can`t sell players for good money because of expiering contracts.Ok.Is it our problem or it is problem of mismanagment? More of that every young player as Eriksen in his first year of regular first team footballing begins to make statments like "OH!Real madrid is such a great club!i wish some day i will play there".Seems like Ajax with its 4 time european cup is fucking shit,and he wants to real some day when he will het out of this shit. So fristly change minds.Change heads. And changes will come soon.That is only managment foul that most of players see in Ajax not a great club but just a window to top 5. Ajax will be Ajax again when every fucking player realise what an honor to wear ajax shirt and play in front of such an incredible guys like vak410. 3.Play like Jol - I can`t say anything about that.If De boer can bring as to championiship third time, i will publically declare that i was wrong about him.But for now, as things stands i totally bealive that Jol was better. And beside all of that, i can not undestand why you have so short memory. It was De Boer brothers who went to court in 90`s to get rid of conract with Ajax. And now sudden De Boer is hero.And True Ajacied.And loves Ajax very much. What they done to Danny Blind?Real Ajax hearted man.Simply put him away like dumb. If it is the modern face of Ajax,then fuck that.Like fuckin modern football. I never sayed that you cant have youre opinion, lame to make that compirason.
Its the other way around. I say take of youre pink sunglasses and im instantly a loser.
Youre more like a crying baby who cant stand hard words. If they were hard.
Arrogant is something else then shutting peoples mouths.
Ajax policy goes beyond Cruijf, only Cruijf is the one who made it al posible.
1. Thrue out the years Ajax sold alot of talents, more then any dutch club did, and the average transfer is alot higher then other dutch clubs. This is what we do best and the only way to have players with a extreem qualtiy because we cant buy them. So we work on the future of teh club financiel and sportive aspect.
Here in holland most clubs are on a finacial supervision, a dutch club needs to be healthy. Clubs like Inter Ac Milan Barca Real Madrid etc etc aint get a licence if they where dutch. If Jol stayed a year longer we where fucked and have to ask permission for 50k euro spends, if teh Knvb dont see the needs you cant invest it. Thats where Feyenoord is in.
Not long ago we had 60 crontact players there was more money going out then in.
Conclusion we cant go with the european top money wise. We have to do it with youth.
2. Here you want to change the world, money makes teh world go round.
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Misschien kom ik wat hard over maar ik ken nu eenmaal geen grijs het is of zwart of wit haha
Poehhhhh voor jou te hopen dat je vrouw niet zo denkt, want die ziet ook dat je te veel tijd overhoud om onzin antwoorden te geven. |
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quote:Op vrijdag 05 oktober 2012 - 10:59 schreef Mokum1 het volgende:[..] I never sayed that you cant have youre opinion, lame to make that compirason. Its the other way around. I say take of youre pink sunglasses and im instantly a loser. Youre more like a crying baby who cant stand hard words. If they were hard. Arrogant is something else then shutting peoples mouths. Ajax policy goes beyond Cruijf, only Cruijf is the one who made it al posible. 1. Thrue out the years Ajax sold alot of talents, more then any dutch club did, and the average transfer is alot higher then other dutch clubs. This is what we do best and the only way to have players with a extreem qualtiy because we cant buy them. So we work on the future of teh club financiel and sportive aspect. Here in holland most clubs are on a finacial supervision, a dutch club needs to be healthy. Clubs like Inter Ac Milan Barca Real Madrid etc etc aint get a licence if they where dutch. If Jol stayed a year longer we where fucked and have to ask permission for 50k euro spends, if teh Knvb dont see the needs you cant invest it. Thats where Feyenoord is in. Not long ago we had 60 crontact players there was more money going out then in. Conclusion we cant go with the european top money wise. We have to do it with youth. 2. Here you want to change the world, money makes teh world go round. You simply saying guys stay here you earn a million dont go to another club where you can earn triple. As you say Ajax Thrue out the years sold talents.Thats the thing in what ajax is the best.To grow and then sell.
But let us look to Ajax of 70`s.Cruyff himself left Ajax first when he was 26(!!!) years old.Same goes to the absolute most of that squad.Squad of triple european chamiopn of Ajax.If i`m not wrong only Neeskens from that team leave Ajax when he was younger campared to others.Piet Keizer even played whole his cariere in Ajax.
The "fast selling" tendency came after Bosman.When players begin to leave free Ajaxbegin to sell them fast.
So on from mid 90`s Ajax continued to sell talents.BUT(!!!)Did that in very unclever manner.And continues so till now.
And people like you always say something like:
"Look!Now we do what we always do best - Grow and sell.That`s the only proper way.It gave us an advantage far in history,it will gave us profits in future"
But you all can not cope with Bosman ruling.As Bosman ruling exists the old aproach that gave you advantages thrue history, now only accelerates the destruction of Ajax.
First of all you must find out how to keep your players more in ajax shirt.
Ok.You say that there is no money for salaries.And you can`t compete with big clubs offers when Newcastle offers Anita triple salary and Anita goes choses for Newcastle.
Then try to create another mechanism.
Maybe a stupid example but:
If you are pretty sure that your youth academy is the best all over the world then tell all talents who want to get education at De Toekomst that they can leave ajax only when they get 25-26 years.Put that note as necessarily term of their conracts. And that will be their pay for chance to educate in most wonderfull and well known football school.
Yes.This is only an example.And That will never get used in real life.
But my main message is that you try to do some old school stuff,but ignore to understand that rules have changed.So old aproach can not be succsessfull if you wil do it in old manner like you do it now.Without any improvement and corrections due to new world rules.
I`m toltaaly agree with you about |
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| so i resume: The policy of Ajax of today,selling players like Anita in early ages is best for people like managers,player agents, players, fucking everybody but only not for Ajax.Only people who enjoy this polciy is morons like Rick van den "Bonus" as they get fat precents from deals.In global Ajax as a team gets nothing from it. |
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Eide
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quote:Op vrijdag 05 oktober 2012 - 13:21 schreef Javid het volgende:so i resume: The policy of Ajax of today,selling players like Anita in early ages is best for people like managers,player agents, players, fucking everybody but only not for Ajax.Only people who enjoy this polciy is morons like Rick van den "Bonus" as they get fat precents from deals.In global Ajax as a team gets nothing from it. Well, yeah. Players managers earn a percentage of the player's salary so more slaary for the player = more salary for the manager. Its one of the root causes for the current issues that plague modern football ( the other one being the unlimited ability to buy squads meaning that richer is always better).
It's something Frank de Boer has been saying consistently in the media by the way. Stay till you are at least 24 before heading out. There's so many failed Dutch talents out there who went to a big club at age 15 to 21 and who failed miserably that you'd think they'd start getting it now. But players don't.
p.s.: you'll hate me for it, but I've written a column about that too ;) It's one of the first ones and not very good but cba to rewrite it. |
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MR.ZED
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| Gelukkig wil v/d Vaart terug na Ajax na dit seizoen |
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MR.ZED
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Gelukkig komt V/D Vaart volgend seizoen terug, kan Siem de Jong naar RKC ofzo
-- dit bericht is voor het laatst aangepast op vrijdag 05 oktober 2012 door MR.ZED -- |
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Javid
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Eide wahy cant you just asume that 30 titul was shared with Jol?
You again begin to talk with some heroical legends like:
"And then God send us De Boer Who came in place of Jol.And Then De boer Said: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQHJARqk_-c&feature=related
And Ajax rised for 3th star.
It is all pretty dramatic for a book for audience of far future.People who did not see that champiniship.
I see.Just pure statistics:
Jol lost his games to Urecht and ADO. De Boer didnt win that teams either.
Jol had 5 draws in that count first game of the season which was lost in 86`th minute when Groningen managed to score an equalaizer.Also away game against Ecelsior where ajax played 10 man since 27th minute by Anita sentoff.
De Boer had less for 3 draws.And had only 2 of them.
Also De Boer played draw against one of two main contenders PSV.So as Jol.
So you can speak those legends about Messiah De Boer who came and then everything goes well as long and as much as you want.
But the statistics never lie.Statisics have no side.No point of view.Its very pure thing.And it that case Statistics tell us that 3rd star was totally shared achievment.
But ok lets move on to second season of De Boer.
Actually it is not secret that Ajax falls into a functional pit every autumn for more years in row.
Again just some statistics.
Jol gained EQUAL pointes in 17 games As De Boer managed to get in his second year.
So its 32 points from first 17 games for both of them.
Again Stats Lie? or what?
But ok lets move on to this season:
De Boer if De boer will lose only one game from non and Win other 9 then he can JUST again make same thing that Jol did. 32 points from first 17 games.
If we take in order that there are still a lot of difficult races ahead such as with vitesse at home or with 010 away or with same PSV at home.
That all means that De boer have pretty chaces to show even worst result than Jol did.
So as i said.You can continue to balive in "The one and only" De Boer.Balive in him like in god.
But with all respect i prefer to be more realisitc and baelive in what i see.Statistics,mathematics and pure figures. |
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Enigma
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Volgens mij zitten we in Nederland op een Nederlands forum, toch?
Voorts is het blijkbaar wel mogelijk het Nederlands te lezen, dan kun je ook in het Dutch reageren, lijkt mij tenminste..
GruB Gott |
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Another few great statistic facts.. With de Boer we won 2 league titels. With Jol none.
Jol spent around 24 miljoen on players in 2 years and only lost Huntelaar as a key player.
De Boer spent around 14 miljoen on players and lost key players as Anita, Vertonghen, de Zeeuw, Suarez, Emanuelson and vd Wiel..
With Jol we played kick and rush... With de Boer we try to play the Ajax home style with real wingers and a attack minded team..
With Jol none of the youth players had a far chance. With de Boer the team is build with youth players and a couple bought players.. |
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| Zal ik een apart engels topic starten, of gewoon dit topic aanpassen naar een engelstalig topic? |
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Remco oh yes.
"Imbecileo" And Aras was true Ajax winger role models.=)First one like to shoot in the direction of his head.Even if he looks to own goal that makes no sence for him.He shhots.And even scores own goals.
Aras was named second Leo Messi by our genius oracul Frank De boer.
How Sad that armenian "Leo messi" can be usefull only in crap like Kuban Krasnodar.
So Next we have Derk Boerighter.Man who was named mister Overmars. People who gave him this nick name probably forget to add some words. "Of glass" "skater".
So it should sound as Skater mister overmars of glass.
Becuse whenever Boerighter is fit and can play, i mean not injured he skies more than he runs on field. And again its everybodies faulre but not his own. Its wet grass of pitch, pour lights wind that directs in face not in back,sun that shines also not in back but constatntly in eyes.
You want to talk about great ajax style with wingers more? ok.
Lets talk about Panna boy Lukoki.Who probably should change football for some athletics like 100 meter run.
For your own interest you can count nex game when he appears how often he lose the ball and how many times he manages deliver the ball to center by his crosses. On each game the most my count was 6 times. Only 6 times in one game Lukoki was able to make direct cross.I mean cross with adres.To zone here somebody can strugle. Hope you genious de boer someday teach that boy sometimes get his head up and look around not only useless runs.
And all of your sayings again is nothing.No numbers.No facts.
You know in the only thing that will remain in history for decades is result. And in this way De boer showed same result with Jol.That almost happened in game with madrid.The only exception that we finally have managed to score our first goal in 5th match.What an achievment!Dream come True yeah?
People will remember this.Statistics.
Not that who how much spend,or who how much key fugures loose.
So i resume if this Ajax with wings is the top of your dreams, then i`m sorry for you.For me its pure crap.
By the way small returning to subject.
It is all goes surely with our captain Siem "Lindgren" De Jong. That maube only you and De Boer can understand why this boy is in basics beside that he is totaal wooden.And even more with captain armband. |
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Please do not get me wrong. If i criticise those player that did not mean that i will not support them from any vak of ArenA.
Surely i will.90 minutes long.
Will try to sing chants that i know as "Waar komen Joden toch vandaan?" and others.
The only thing that i want to say, is that the support of team has nothing to do with reality.
As an Ajax fan i must support my team.But i do not have to support shit players if i do not like how they play.
At least my position is to be Ajax fan.Ajax as a team but not personal fan of any player. |
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quote:Op vrijdag 05 oktober 2012 - 17:39 schreef Boudewijn het volgende:Zal ik een apart engels topic starten, of gewoon dit topic aanpassen naar een engelstalig topic? Gewoon zo laten ouwe....als je niet wil reageren dan niet....gaat toch goed zo |
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Eide
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Jarvid, you've brought out the statistics. I didn't do that on purpose. All statistics lie. You can make manipulate statistics easily. Too easily. My entire point about Jol was based on emotion. The reason Jol failed was that there was no belief. Nobody believed that Jol was going to make that team champions. The same belief is exactly what de Boer has brought Ajax. Argumably the most important weapon in the Ajax arsenal. The insurmountable belief that Ajax will be the best. THAT is why the 30th title is creditted to Frank de Boer and only Frank de Boer.
You are right in one thing though. People will remember statistics. And the statistics show that de Boer has won back to back championships. And Jol didn't. As I said, statistics are so easily manipulated.
As for all the comments about players: Yeah I actually agree,and it is exactly why the old board and staff were dumped in favor of the new crew. The old crew would have you believe those people are the best Ajax can get. The new crew firmly believes Ajax can do a lot better. With the Ajax academy as the foundation, and transferred players, a capable staff and solid financial situation as the pillars that hold the club up. In effect you are argueing exactly why the switch in philosophy was required. |
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quote:Op vrijdag 05 oktober 2012 - 22:38 schreef Eide het volgende:Jarvid, you've brought out the statistics. I didn't do that on purpose. All statistics lie. You can make manipulate statistics easily. Too easily. My entire point about Jol was based on emotion. The reason Jol failed was that there was no belief. Nobody believed that Jol was going to make that team champions. The same belief is exactly what de Boer has brought Ajax. Argumably the most important weapon in the Ajax arsenal. The insurmountable belief that Ajax will be the best. THAT is why the 30th title is creditted to Frank de Boer and only Frank de Boer. You are right in one thing though. People will remember statistics. And the statistics show that de Boer has won back to back championships. And Jol didn't. As I said, statistics are so easily manipulated. As for all the comments about players: Yeah I actually agree,and it is exactly why the old board and staff were dumped in favor of the new crew. The old crew would have you believe those people are the best Ajax can get. The new crew firmly believes Ajax can do a lot better. With the Ajax academy as the foundation, and transferred players, a capable staff and solid financial situation as the pillars that hold the club up. In effect you are argueing exactly why the switch in philosophy was required. All statistics lie. Aha Eiden.=)House MD fan? Everybody lies(c) he says often )))
Dear Eiden.With all respect the only one man here who use statistics to manipulate with people minds is you.
When i brought them on scene my mission was not to manipulate but just simply in numbers to show you on what my point of view is basing.
Its you who try to manipulate with result when you say that only thing that people will remember that Frank made Ajax champion in first season.
Sometimes i thank God that there is no such red flaslight in your hand like one that Will Smith have had in MIB movie.
I almost can imagine you with such kind of thing in your hand,wearing black sunglasses and flash that shit in front of my face with words "Jol never exited its only your imagination" =)
So what comes to your words about the legacy of old crew in terms of weak squad, again you show that you are so blindly bealive in this new crew that even the foults of this new crew you easily write on old crews bill.
For your atention old crew has nothing to do with Kolbein "alwaysinjured" Sightorson. Also old crew has nothing to do with such a great value like Derk "skater" boerrighter. So on, old crew has nothing to do with Niklas Moisander who beside his two goals plays terrible,always loosing his man and postion.
Remember that moment when Duplan walk in our 16 yard box as at home,came almost to Vermeer and then made a cross and our luck was that Cedric van der Gun now is too old and slow to be able to lock down such type of crosses.That was the only one of many moments when moisander do everything for atacking side almost bring them cool drinks for they can feel themselves more comfortable in front of our goal.
Goal in game with ADO.Again genius new crew addition made the differnce.I`m pretty sure that this season Moisander will again many times more will make me considering what the fuck he is doing in the heart of defence of my Ajax.
So lets move on and talk about total drama whos name is Poulsen?give that boy some oil that he can use it on his knees.Because i can hear that creepy sound of his old knees even here in Moscow when he plays.Or it will be right to say "When he thinks that he plays" in fact even my grandpa can take the ball make 2-3 long cross in one game and in all other situations just pass it to the nearest player.You have not to be Poulsen and earn about million to do that.
Thats the role of great signing of miraclemaker new crew.
Lasse Shone - total joke. At least in the position where frank try to use him.But Frank is ready to fuck away the whole carierre of maybe our only midfielder who can make good cutting passes. Everything for only wooden captain can play.Everything for his favorite boy Siem. Siem made Frank the champion coach from nothing.And Frank will pay him back until Siem will be there.
In criminal world they call such kind of relations mutual responsibility.
When one thief help another because some long ago second one did not gave the name of first one to police when they arest him.
In all other things i`m agree new crew make more clever transfer. But.. ooops. I can not remember any tranfer more. Sana maybe...Yes Sana will come and fix all. Amen ))) |
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By the way.At same time PSV buys Mertens and Strootman for laughable 14 millions for both of them.
Have contracts with them till 2016 what means that they can easily hold them till they get 25-26 years old.And i`m sure will sell every of them much more higher than spend on both of them.
There are already news in yellow papaers that liverpool is ready to pay 12 millions for Mertens.
And i`m asking you to note that this two boys already are making difference for PSV.
In exchange what your new crew does for ajax?
500 tons for boerrighter.
4-5 millions for Sightorson.
Pair that more often injured than fit.
3 millions for Cilessen who keeps warm bank while our Vermeer learns to kick the ball straight into the field and not to tribunes.
4-5 millions for Moisander about abilitys of whom i wrote before.
Babel for one year who will just eat salary and will say us sweet thanks and adios at the end of this season with 80% probability if we cant get champions league promotion.
Indeed such a wise moneyspending policy.Exeptionally in camparing with PSV.
So wise new crew managment that its too heavy task to people like me with single-celled brain to undestand all that signs of genius approach of so called @new crew@ |
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Javid
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+ some more millions for Thulani who first never get a fair chance.And at last when he get it Thulani decides to visit same hospital that Derk and Kolbein.
Ilan boccara Mats Rits and so on.great tranfers.Vise money spending.
But who gives a fuck yep? we build for future!!!
As Metallica sings in its last album THE DAY THAT NEVER COMES, just keep on praying. |
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