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quote:Op maandag 08 oktober 2012 - 16:03 schreef Javid het volgende:[..] Man, i fully respect your opinion on that case. I think it`s more about the difference of our mentalities. On some cases i simply can not accept the aprroach that almost every european person found acceptable manner. For example in places where i`m from,there are so little precent of homeless childs compared to almost every country of western europe. Same goes for the count of homeless and left oldmans. Me simply have too little of them because even my family when i was little kid took care of one old family in neighborhood.My parents suply them with food drugs and etc. Its a known fact that in Caucasus the health of family institution is much more at higher level.We born a lot of children and we sure that if some bad things happen to us as the parents, our sisters and brothers even cousins and nices will take full care of that kids as their own child. So for me, as for person who was grown in such climate where the word of elders is the law and never had a small chance to be a theme for discussions it bit a strage to accept all that.Such a behaviour. When my father was alive and i was a little boy i remember that it was hard for me even to talk loud when he was at home.So deep respect i had to that person.Can i talk about something that i could do to prove he was wrong on any question? Never.It was a disrecpect. So i say again that i simply can not accept that shit. That Joppie to prove that everybody is wrong turned to his father ajax with his ass. Turning the ass is a half of the fault,but he gone further and joined the camp of principial enemy. For me it means one thing.Disrespect. Maybe i`m wrong in my conclusions,but thats the way how i was raised as a person by my parents.Thats the thing that i own with mother milk.Thats genome. Then its a culture difference...when i got home, my dad loved me making noise...he enjoyded seeing me having a good time...
But i still have respect and love for him...
I think we will never understand eachothers opinion on this than...
But i respect it... Gonna have a smoke now and some coffee... Nice
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quote:Op maandag 08 oktober 2012 - 16:26 schreef Javid het volgende:[..] Remco i agree with you on most part of that you wrote.Except one thing. You say that if we managed to score that goals yesterday, nobody wouldh have complained. But that is complete bullshit man. Almost after match with madrid i wrote on this forum,that if Ajax after that shitty game next sunday can afford to beat utrecht everybody again forget everything and will fall in that stupid euphoria. But its clear almost for everybody who have a brain little bigger than birds brain that its bullshit. We beat farmer, noname teams and pretend that we are doing great.But almost every team from first half of tables of almost every big european champiniship can quicly show us the level that our team belongs to. And i`m ok with that sometimes.Becuse i realise and accept all variebles in this kind of equalization. Such as diffence of budgets,the lost of key players and etc. But even with that noname teams we sometimes play the games like yesterday one. I also can understand if it were simply lack of luck.As in game against Graafschap in times of Jol.If i`m not wrong there were over 40 shhots on goal, hits against woodwork and crossbar by SuareZ. But when team gets goal almost in the begining of the halfm and beside that 3-4 moments and halfmomets did nothing for win in almost 35 minutes of game.Sorry i can and will never accept that kind of Ajax. How hard it may be and can be, the difference between Utrecht caliber teams and Ajax is as huge as difference between Ajax and Real at he moment.I dont even want such a declassing as Real set for us.I just want simply 3 points from HOME game.I want too much you think? I agree with remko...shocking as it is...
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quote:Op maandag 08 oktober 2012 - 19:19 schreef hippy het volgende:[..] Then its a culture difference...when i got home, my dad loved me making noise...he enjoyded seeing me having a good time... But i still have respect and love for him... I think we will never understand eachothers opinion on this than... But i respect it... Gonna have a smoke now and some coffee... Nice See ya later... My friend.
Surely there are a lot of cultural differences between east and west.
As for example, i cant explain to my wife(she is russisan) that it`s not acceptable for me to hug my wife infront of my parents.She simply can`t undestand that.
She asks me why, but i`m your wife?What bad thing happen if you hug me even if there are your parents?
As for another example, its also not acceptable for me to ask my friend something like:
"Hey Peter.How are you?HOW IS YOUR WIFE DOING?!"
If Peter was born in the same place where i was he can simply answer:
"Its not your fucking buissness how MY wife is doing"
So its not a polite or correct question even in conversation between two friends.
But one thing is for sure.
I never judge two guys which interest each other how their wifes are doing or i never judge badly the man who hugs or kisses his wife in front of his father.I`m ok with that.Its their culture, their mentality, and their lifes.
The only thing that annoys me when people try to prove me that i am wrong when i judge Cruyff act as bad.Because it`s not acceptable for my culture and mentality to aact like he did.
You can say that, i almost before that wrote that i never judge somebody, and i`m tollerant.
Thats true.But the big difference is in fact that judging personal lifestyle of private person is wrong shit.
But Cruyff is a public person.And he must be ready that not every his act will be judged in the same way.
Because he was a legend for your grandpa or father with one kind of culture and equally for mines. So your oldmans judge his act in one way, my oldmans did it in other way.
Thats the fate of public people.Others will always discuss them and give marks for their acts.
So if Cruyff wont wish that some person like me look on him as a traitor and selfish person he must simply quite his public affairs.
Bealive me, if Johan never get connected with my club i dont give a fuck even if he dies under the bus in an accident.I dont care at all.
Hope i can deliver my thoughts correctly to you.
Its nice to have a discussion with you.You seemed to me as a nice, intelligent and smart person.
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quote:Op maandag 08 oktober 2012 - 21:06 schreef Javid het volgende:[..] My friend. Surely there are a lot of cultural differences between east and west. As for example, i cant explain to my wife(she is russisan) that it`s not acceptable for me to hug my wife infront of my parents.She simply can`t undestand that. She asks me why, but i`m your wife?What bad thing happen if you hug me even if there are your parents? As for another example, its also not acceptable for me to ask my friend something like: "Hey Peter.How are you?HOW IS YOUR WIFE DOING?!" If Peter was born in the same place where i was he can simply answer: "Its not your fucking buissness how MY wife is doing" So its not a polite or correct question even in conversation between two friends. But one thing is for sure. I never judge two guys which interest each other how their wifes are doing or i never judge badly the man who hugs or kisses his wife in front of his father.I`m ok with that.Its their culture, their mentality, and their lifes. The only thing that annoys me when people try to prove me that i am wrong when i judge Cruyff act as bad.Because it`s not acceptable for my culture and mentality to aact like he did. You can say that, i almost before that wrote that i never judge somebody, and i`m tollerant. Thats true.But the big difference is in fact that judging personal lifestyle of private person is wrong shit. But Cruyff is a public person.And he must be ready that not every his act will be judged in the same way. Because he was a legend for your grandpa or father with one kind of culture and equally for mines. So your oldmans judge his act in one way, my oldmans did it in other way. Thats the fate of public people.Others will always discuss them and give marks for their acts. So if Cruyff wont wish that some person like me look on him as a traitor and selfish person he must simply quite his public affairs. Bealive me, if Johan never get connected with my club i dont give a fuck even if he dies under the bus in an accident.I dont care at all. Hope i can deliver my thoughts correctly to you. Its nice to have a discussion with you.You seemed to me as a nice, intelligent and smart person. Im not judging you, its just that i have had some shitty 5 years and to top it i got divorced...
I can handle it that parents get older and sick, but if my wife leaves me, cause she doesn't "feel the love" anymore, its the last drop that makes the bucket overflow... Im a person who is happy with little things and thank god that im alive and healthy...
But you just dont leave someone after 3 yrs of marriage, cause you dont have feelings anymore....
I hate people with such a mentality....
Im a fighter, just like my mum....she fought heartdisease and is still fighting...
My dad is in early stages leukimia and is a optimistic bastard...
Nothing gets him down...then comes someone and tells me she is leaving me after three years of marriage...
I dont know why im telling you this, but its good to get it off my chest...
Im like a sponge and always in controle...she is a coward and chooses the easy way out...
But why can't you hug your wife....?
Im curious about that...
I think these small things make it difficult to achieve the multicultural life they want in holland...
We dont understand them and they dont understand us...
But is it just the older generation or is it a law in your country...
Not to judge but out of interrest....
I enjoy talking to you to...
Talking to people from other parts of the world makes me less ignorant and more patient...
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Dear hippy.
I really can`t explain it why.If i know how to do it in proper way i have been already explained it to my own wife =).
As i said before,it`s not accepted to do so.
Surely if you hug your wife in front of your parents, there no chance that world war 3 begins,or they say to you something like "Hey, how dare you to do that in our presence?!" =)
Surely its not the law, cause Azerbaijan is and were secular country living by secular laws. By the way when womans in such european countries as Switzerland or france have no right to vote, Azerbaijani woman already got this right granted to her by constituion.
So what comes on your question, it`s more typical to some older generation.Like me for example.Kids of new generation are absolutely free from that kind of things.
Maybe there still some families that live in deep regions of country that can save that sort of traditions, but in fact the people like me are dying breed =).
Looking on to how my daughter grows, she is already 4.And i CAN say surely that she will be another person with different values cordinate system.
-- dit bericht is voor het laatst aangepast op dinsdag 09 oktober 2012 door Javid -- |
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quote: Its not nice to swear...
;))
-- dit bericht is voor het laatst aangepast op dinsdag 09 oktober 2012 door hippy -- |
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quote:Op maandag 08 oktober 2012 - 15:31 schreef Javid het volgende:[..] Nenam i think comparing of relations Cruyff-Ajax with such relations as Some person-and that persons wife is not simply correct. Not every wife does something for her husband to establish him as a known person. Ajax did for Cruyff everthing.Ajax build him.Made him known.And derserved more respect. Yes i`m married. Cruijf made Ajax and Barcelona....you can have youre thoughts if hes the good person to run a club butt in his player time he ruled...think hes was the first player/manager without the title... |
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quote:Op dinsdag 09 oktober 2012 - 15:04 schreef Mokum1 het volgende:[..] Cruijf made Ajax and Barcelona....you can have youre thoughts if hes the good person to run a club butt in his player time he ruled...think hes was the first player/manager without the title... Again i cant agree with you.
in not far past there still were a person who carried Ajax all season long on his shoulders. I`m talking about Suarez.He had great influence on the team and Ajax with and without Suarez were almost 2 different teams.
But i can never accept saying that Suarez made Ajax.
Same goes for Litti.He was also very deciding figure in mid 90`s.
We had great respect for that people for what they did for the team but i cant say that one of them made Ajax.
The border between team supportance and person supportance in this case is very transparent.
So i`m in oppostion on that case.I can see for myself great difference in supporting Ajax and supporting Cruyff.For me its two different questions.
Do i support Ajax? - Yes.Till i die.
Do i support Cruyff? - No.And never will.
Also i know guys from Vak410.They have the same opinion on this case.When almost all vak begins to chant "Cruyff!!Cruyff!!" they stand quite.
So i will never agree that love for the club transforms into the cult of one person.
There were times that everybody lost hope for changes in managment.But it happened.
The change of De boer is a matter of time also. And if he continues like he did till now if not at the end of this season,then during the next one he will be fired. |
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Its almost the same thing as a religion.
There is saying "If you cant afford learning science,then learn religion"
Every man from the day when he was born get assistance of his parents.Some kind of hand that leads you till you get aged.
When you grow,parents are gone, but you still need that hand which will lead you over your life.
So people begin to seek that God,Allah,Budda and others.
In fact i dont need it.Because i now that killing man is not good.Stealing is also not good.
To know that things i do not need any God. Thats my conscience not my religion.
So i think to know what is good and what is bad for my Ajax, i don`t need any cruyff or others.My own head can accept material,analyse,and make coclusions.
-- dit bericht is voor het laatst aangepast op dinsdag 09 oktober 2012 door Javid -- |
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quote:Op dinsdag 09 oktober 2012 - 15:28 schreef Javid het volgende:[..] Again i cant agree with you. in not far past there still were a person who carried Ajax all season long on his shoulders. I`m talking about Suarez.He had great influence on the team and Ajax with and without Suarez were almost 2 different teams. But i can never accept saying that Suarez made Ajax. Same goes for Litti.He was also very deciding figure in mid 90`s. We had great respect for that people for what they did for the team but i cant say that one of them made Ajax. The border between team supportance and person supportance in this case is very transparent. So i`m in oppostion on that case.I can see for myself great difference in supporting Ajax and supporting Cruyff.For me its two different questions. Do i support Ajax? - Yes.Till i die. Do i support Cruyff? - No.And never will. Also i know guys from Vak410.They have the same opinion on this case.When almost all vak begins to chant "Cruyff!!Cruyff!!" they stand quite. So i will never agree that love for the club transforms into the cult of one person. There were times that everybody lost hope for changes in managment.But it happened. The change of De boer is a matter of time also. And if he continues like he did till now if not at the end of this season,then during the next one he will be fired. If u compare suarez with cruijff you're out of your mind( no disrespect).
Cruijff was twice maybe three times the player suarez will ever be...
Cruijff is of a caliber, pele maradona romario zidane...
A once in a decade player...suarez is a very good player, but there are lots of players just as good as suarez...
Cruijff made ajax and barcelona...i agree on this...
Guardiola perfected it...but the basics are the ideas of cruijff...
No question about it... You can put your questionmarks about the feyenoord thing... |
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quote:Op dinsdag 09 oktober 2012 - 15:28 schreef Javid het volgende:[..] Again i cant agree with you. in not far past there still were a person who carried Ajax all season long on his shoulders. I`m talking about Suarez.He had great influence on the team and Ajax with and without Suarez were almost 2 different teams. But i can never accept saying that Suarez made Ajax. Same goes for Litti.He was also very deciding figure in mid 90`s. We had great respect for that people for what they did for the team but i cant say that one of them made Ajax. The border between team supportance and person supportance in this case is very transparent. So i`m in oppostion on that case.I can see for myself great difference in supporting Ajax and supporting Cruyff.For me its two different questions. Do i support Ajax? - Yes.Till i die. Do i support Cruyff? - No.And never will. Also i know guys from Vak410.They have the same opinion on this case.When almost all vak begins to chant "Cruyff!!Cruyff!!" they stand quite. So i will never agree that love for the club transforms into the cult of one person. There were times that everybody lost hope for changes in managment.But it happened. The change of De boer is a matter of time also. And if he continues like he did till now if not at the end of this season,then during the next one he will be fired. If u compare suarez with cruijff you're out of your mind( no disrespect).
Cruijff was twice maybe three times the player suarez will ever be...
Cruijff is of a caliber, pele maradona romario zidane...
A once in a decade player...suarez is a very good player, but there are lots of players just as good as suarez...
Cruijff made ajax and barcelona...i agree on this...
Guardiola perfected it...but the basics are the ideas of cruijff...
No question about it... You can put your questionmarks about the feyenoord thing... |
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quote:Op dinsdag 09 oktober 2012 - 15:38 schreef hippy het volgende:[..] If u compare suarez with cruijff you're out of your mind( no disrespect). Cruijff was twice maybe three times the player suarez will ever be... Cruijff is of a caliber, pele maradona romario zidane... A once in a decade player...suarez is a very good player, but there are lots of players just as good as suarez... Cruijff made ajax and barcelona...i agree on this... Guardiola perfected it...but the basics are the ideas of cruijff... No question about it... You can put your questionmarks about the feyenoord thing... Nope Guardiola used the Ajax 95 team as base, van Gaal ouwe |
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And in that case i can`t undestand people that say something like:
"De boer knows what he does, because he is the Cruyff`s man.Even if Ajax plays like shit,that people know what they are doing, and we must just wait and see what comes at the end."
As for me, this is position of the man whitout his own will,thoughts,eyes,mind and etc.
And as long as there are a lot of this kind of people with banners like "Cruyff wij stand achter 14!" it makes the crowd.
And crowd by itself is bery stupid mass.But also is very powerfull.
You must be a good crowd manager like Cruyff to use that power.
Try to read the books of Gustave le Bon about crowd manipulation and crowd psychology.
It`s our reality that the crowd that mainly consists of rednecks and lumpens is able to make revolutions not only in football teams but also in the countries. |
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quote:Op dinsdag 09 oktober 2012 - 15:28 schreef Javid het volgende:[..] Again i cant agree with you. in not far past there still were a person who carried Ajax all season long on his shoulders. I`m talking about Suarez.He had great influence on the team and Ajax with and without Suarez were almost 2 different teams. But i can never accept saying that Suarez made Ajax. Same goes for Litti.He was also very deciding figure in mid 90`s. We had great respect for that people for what they did for the team but i cant say that one of them made Ajax. The border between team supportance and person supportance in this case is very transparent. So i`m in oppostion on that case.I can see for myself great difference in supporting Ajax and supporting Cruyff.For me its two different questions. Do i support Ajax? - Yes.Till i die. Do i support Cruyff? - No.And never will. Also i know guys from Vak410.They have the same opinion on this case.When almost all vak begins to chant "Cruyff!!Cruyff!!" they stand quite. So i will never agree that love for the club transforms into the cult of one person. There were times that everybody lost hope for changes in managment.But it happened. The change of De boer is a matter of time also. And if he continues like he did till now if not at the end of this season,then during the next one he will be fired. Supporters of 410 are good for the entourage, mostly its are pubering peeps like 16-19years old.
Very happy with them butt discuss about ajax no, should listen more to the F-side.
No vak shouts together only 410 f-side and behind me the new North up allience guys. The rest are only followers. |
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quote: Read my last post about crowd.And consolidated shouts.
Just only several moths before that the same crowd leaded by Vak410 leaders and Rick van den Boog were attending Ajax corteo.
So what can happen that special for people that they suddenly all changed 360?
Nothing.Just one good person who can manipulate with that crowd came and begin to act.
In Africa there are also many great revolutioners man.They give shotguns to the hands of children and made their revolutions.
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Without this revo no evo. Overmars, Bergkamp, and de Boer are people who dont want to be loved and have status, the only thing that matters is Ajax.
After 95 there where more people inside Ajax that wanted something from Ajax instead of giving anything.
If Cruyff had done nothing this was still the issue. Cruyff is not a dictator who rules everyting <-(classie style ;), he did his job and gives now and then some advice. Thats all.
Im very happy with all the old soccer players, people who have been the biggest part of their lives in this world, peeps who now what a player must do to reach their goal.
Our core business needs to be to educate as much players, as we did thrue out the years only it needs to be done on a more frequent base. If this happens we sell more players , money is neccesary to keep players for a longer period of time.
We cant compete on a international level, most clubs buys their squad year in year out, they have more income then we have in this small country. Also other rules, and dont forget the Oil maffia and Abromovic guys.
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quote:Op dinsdag 09 oktober 2012 - 19:20 schreef Mokum1 het volgende:Without this revo no evo. Overmars, Bergkamp, and de Boer are people who dont want to be loved and have status, the only thing that matters is Ajax. After 95 there where more people inside Ajax that wanted something from Ajax instead of giving anything. If Cruyff had done nothing this was still the issue. Cruyff is not a dictator who rules everyting <-(classie style ;), he did his job and gives now and then some advice. Thats all. Im very happy with all the old soccer players, people who have been the biggest part of their lives in this world, peeps who now what a player must do to reach their goal. Our core business needs to be to educate as much players, as we did thrue out the years only it needs to be done on a more frequent base. If this happens we sell more players , money is neccesary to keep players for a longer period of time. We cant compete on a international level, most clubs buys their squad year in year out, they have more income then we have in this small country. Also other rules, and dont forget the Oil maffia and Abromovic guys. The only thing we are good in is to educate and sell players, we have to milk this cow to be competitive again. Cruyff just gives a small advices?!
What the fuck are you talking about?(no disrespect!)
Person who can call some person "nigger" and get rid of him.
Person who appoitns coaches if not with direct orders but somehow.
Person who can say i don`t want this man as a chairman bring me that one!
This person you want to say just gives a small advices?!
As i see the situation that moron decides all vectors of how things should be.
Mokum,The more you write, the more you drive yourself into a corner with your statements which are exclude each others. That have nothing to do with reality.You look like a witness which is totally confused in own testimony.
If it was a trial and I was on the jury, be sure that you could not "buy me" with this crap.
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quote:Op dinsdag 09 oktober 2012 - 19:55 schreef Javid het volgende:[..] Cruyff just gives a small advices?! What the fuck are you talking about?(no disrespect!) This person you want to say just gives a small advices?! Person who can call some person "nigger" and get rid of him. Person who appoitns coaches if not with direct orders but somehow. Person who can say i don`t want this man as a chairman bring me that one! As i see the situation that moron decides all vectors of how things should be. Mokum,The more you write, the more you drive yourself into a corner with your statements which are exclude each others. That have nothing to do with reality.You look like a witness which is totally confused in own testimony. If it was a trial and I was on the jury, be sure that you could not "buy me" with this crap. Thats funny and sad.More sad than funny. You dont have a clue how Ajax works. You keep starting about Cruyff butt the whole plan you dont give a shit. Whats youre plan buddy, what do we need to do without resources that international clubs have.
Person who can call some person "nigger" and get rid of him.
He never called him nigeer only thats he is in the board because hes a rolemodel for alot of dark youth players.
Person who appoitns coaches if not with direct orders but somehow.
Whats wrong with appointing coaches? And if he gives them orders, what does it harms?
Person who can say i don`t want this man as a chairman bring me that one!
Ajax is on the stock exchange, he can say that butt he dont decides in that one. Also like the raad van commissarissen.
Forget Cruyff in this and think about the structure, whats wrong with that in youre opinion, dont come with details just some big lines we need to follow to let Ajax be Ajax again. |
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quote:You keep starting about Cruyff butt the whole plan you dont give a shit. I guess if you defend him then you as you said totally "give a shit" about whole plan.
Maybe there is some hidden declaration that you read and i not.
So be kind, tell me what is there. wjat is our plan. Not in that common words, but step by step.
It`s funny how you balme about that i am not happy with things in what i dont give a shit, but at the same time you are happy in that things, but you aslo don`t give a shit as i guess.
So why you can and me can not?
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I mean that its normal when someone don`t like something if whe don`t know the whole plan.
All i can say about that person that this person is awake.
More strange if one person is happy with things about which he don`t know any shit, just promises of one old moron that it`s all good.
Al i can say about such a person that he is at least silly. |
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so before i begin to explain what i would do to make things right, please tell me what are you happy about.
Maybe after i know the whole plan as you said, i will be more happier? |
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quote:Op dinsdag 09 oktober 2012 - 20:44 schreef Javid het volgende:so before i begin to explain what i would do to make things right, please tell me what are you happy about. Maybe after i know the whole plan as you said, i will be more happier? ....and more patient less complaining. Win win win situation.
The whole plan is real simple:
Let Old soccer players decide to let it breath soccer again. Lets make youth players important again. Lets train them more individual then group wise. Its more important how many players reach the first team then to be champion in youth competitions.
The end
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Javid
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Actually no.
Let old players decide - who can guarantie that old players have required qualification?
Or you think that Kluivert after eredivise live studio can come and professianally teach youngsters? or Stam? or Perez? i really do not bealive that.
In overall maybe.Maybe Bergkamp can show one or two feints to our forwards.But in general i have real big doubts about his qualification level as a professional trainer.
Same goes to Frank de Boer. How many years he was the first trainer of the second team before he was appointed as a headcoach of the first team?Did he had required qualities?expirience?NO he had NOT!
For me it is enough that ajax is a test area fot young palyers.
I see no reason to go further and make my club also test polygon for newbie trainers.As your catalan idol advices.
Lets make youth players important again? i think that Ajax was, still is, and will be overally one of the youngest teams in almost every european competition.So why you think that it was the times which in youth was not important? mystics.
Lets train them more individually - go ahead.Who will disturb you?who prevents your will?
So as for me, it is well known things for almost every club.I see here nothing that can be called with such huge word as "plan".
It is common things.Known things. And if this is your plan which in your opinion is going to make gap of difference betwen our Ajax and big european teams like madrid, then i`m sorry but i should upset you.
This is not a plan, this is piece of shit.
-- dit bericht is voor het laatst aangepast op dinsdag 09 oktober 2012 door Javid -- |
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Javid
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Read this.
http://www.wijzijnajaxamsterdam.nl/
As long as there are few such clear minded persons i`m happy.
Some people get bought by Cuyffian bullshit, others like me not.
Its up to everybody to allow somoone as cruyff to make fool of him/her.
-- dit bericht is voor het laatst aangepast op woensdag 10 oktober 2012 door Javid -- |
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hippy
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quote:Op dinsdag 09 oktober 2012 - 21:15 schreef Mokum1 het volgende:[..] ....and more patient less complaining. Win win win situation. The whole plan is real simple: Let Old soccer players decide to let it breath soccer again. Lets make youth players important again. Lets train them more individual then group wise. Its more important how many players reach the first team then to be champion in youth competitions. The end Happy? Training individuel should be 30% of training...
If its more im not surprised that ajax is not functioning as a team right now...
Good training makes a good team...
And that is what counts first...knowing your teammates...
Their qualities but also their flawes...
For instance...you can play hard passes on babel cause he's strong and can beat a defender on strength, but you cant play the same pass on sana cause he's light...so pass softer and let him come to the ball....
Its all in knowing your teammates....
Good example...real 5 years ago and real now...
Not all the same players, but the core is still the same
Building a team takes time...
The way ajax was doing it recently didnt work...
Time to try something new...
-- dit bericht is voor het laatst aangepast op woensdag 10 oktober 2012 door hippy -- |
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quote:Op woensdag 10 oktober 2012 - 09:20 schreef hippy het volgende:[..] Training individuel should be 30% of training... If its more im not surprised that ajax is not functioning as a team right now... Good training makes a good team... And that is what counts first...knowing your teammates... Their qualities but also their flawes... For instance...you can play hard passes on babel cause he's strong and can beat a defender on strength, but you cant play the same pass on sana cause he's light...so pass softer and let him come to the ball.... Its all in knowing your teammates.... Good example...real 5 years ago and real now... Not all the same players, but the core is still the same Building a team takes time... The way ajax was doing it recently didnt work... Time to try something new... In the youth they give more time to train individual. In the selection its different.
Youre right about real seen it also at Chelsea Man City, and now with PSG.
Dont you think its a pitty for Javid he dont agrees how they do bussiness at the moment.
He got some long years coming up as a supporter of Ajax. |
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hippy
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quote:Op woensdag 10 oktober 2012 - 10:50 schreef Mokum1 het volgende:[..] In the youth they give more time to train individual. In the selection its different. Youre right about real seen it also at Chelsea Man City, and now with PSG. Dont you think its a pitty for Javid he dont agrees how they do bussiness at the moment. He got some long years coming up as a supporter of Ajax. I think he looks at it from another perspective...
I agree with him that frank gives to much chances to de jong and eriksen....
But on the other hand, who do we have that is equal or better...
So i think that frank tries to give them convidence...
We can really know after 3 years if this "revolution" turns in evolution...
Thats what i agree on with him to...we need evolution and fast... |
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Mokum1
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quote:Op woensdag 10 oktober 2012 - 12:08 schreef hippy het volgende:[..] I think he looks at it from another perspective... I agree with him that frank gives to much chances to de jong and eriksen.... But on the other hand, who do we have that is equal or better... So i think that frank tries to give them convidence... We can really know after 3 years if this "revolution" turns in evolution... Thats what i agree on with him to...we need evolution and fast... yep wait for 3 years and see what happens, lot of poeple wants instant succes, doesn't work like that. |
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Javid
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quote:Op woensdag 10 oktober 2012 - 12:08 schreef hippy het volgende:[..] I think he looks at it from another perspective... I agree with him that frank gives to much chances to de jong and eriksen.... But on the other hand, who do we have that is equal or better... So i think that frank tries to give them convidence... We can really know after 3 years if this "revolution" turns in evolution... Thats what i agree on with him to...we need evolution and fast... I guess even lasse schone will be more important for the team than that woodstick Siem if Frank would give him fair chance to establish himslef as a basic player.He uses Schone as a defensive midfielder and what a moron and idiot you should be to use a player who several years ago was one of the best scoring midfielders in the league as a defensive one?
He did the same to Theo when in respect for Siem The was pushed to play defensive midfielder role.
I`m ok with De hong if he can proove that he is basic player in a fair competition with others.
But as long as we have such idiot headcoach who decides first eleven not by readyness of players but by their names and past deliverings Ajax will be in the same asshole for years.
And it has nothing to do with politics and youth.It`s always easy to say that fuel is bad than admit that your engine sucks.
Same things goes for Vermeer-Cilessen case.
Everybody saying that previous years Ajax spent money unwise manner. But i`m fucking dumbass if its wise manner to spend 3 millions on a goalkeeper,while you are declaring that you work for the youth, and stick this goalkeaper to the bench.
So that new direction of develompent is beautyfull words, aut in practice is a bullshit.
If few years ago ajax bought useless players like lindgren,Jurgen Colin,kennedy,Kouffour and atoubas now the do the same thing.
The only difference is that then they never declare about importance of the youth, now they do.But in all in all it`s the same shit.
Fuck Moisander - Give a fair chance to Joel Veltman.Or push Van rijn to his native postion of center back and give a chance to Ligeon.
Fuck Poulsen - and move Blind there and give another chance to Dico.And wait if Boilessen will be ever fit.You have even Dijks for LB position.
So why Blind who is naurally Left/defensive midfielder is forced to play LB?????!
And that is in the eredivisie where almost every bad team had fast winger.Blind is too slow for that place. But he has a lot of qual`s that can be usefull in defensive midfielder zone.
Fuck De jong give a chance to Schone.That chance which you never gave to Lodeiro.
Fuck Skateman boerrighter and put Mickey there.That guy just simply can run better.Cause Dirk does nothing else.
Give chances to your own youth and there will be no questions only bacause you do just as you were declaring before.Concentrate on youth and building for the future.
Then i will be the baddest asshole in the world if i just complain about anything even with 10-th place at the end in eredivisie.I will know that it is for something.
But what i see instead?
Buying sandman Poulsen.
Buying Moisander who in almost every game did some crucial misteakes wghich leaded to the goals.
Buying 23 year old Sana in the name of the right winger. But use Lukoki there.
So what about Lesly de Sa? Or Sana is the best man for expirience sharing with our youngsters? but wait, there are still milk on his own lips.What new he can tell our boys?
Or you think that if there are 5 players on 1 postion your youth will develop faster?
But you just say that you have not money?Are you so rich to held 5 players for 1 position?Is it your wise style of moneyspending? fuck that.
same goes for boerrighter.Holding 25 yers old boy that simply can not handle the level of Ajax and shout that you are buildins for future,you are working for yourh. LIE!
Cheap cheese can be only in ratcatchers.
Or you buy nothing just 17-18 year old biys like Boccara Meleg Erikssen and etc.And try to do it with your own youth.And i will be the first one who will accept that and be agree with that.
Or just stop talking a shit about accent on a youth development in one hand, and other hand buying a trash like Boerrighters Moisanders and Poulsens.
-- dit bericht is voor het laatst aangepast op woensdag 10 oktober 2012 door Javid -- |
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Only problem i see is that there is a chance of ending without european soccer.
That would be a little disaster for the development of young players.
Totaly agree that Moisander is a bad transfer.
Moisander Poulsen are no future players, it looks like they try to fit Sporkslede in the team. I see the potential but makes still stupid mistakes, if he take his chances to prove he will be better then Poulsen over 90min, im sure that FdB give him a spot in the first eleven when hes better. If hes not good enough then Boccara is standing in line.
Dont forget that we sold Anita, we use Poulsen his Xp even we know that we need better.
Even that Boerrigter is 25 he played his matches till hes injury more then well.
Ive seen within 25mtr what he can do, hes fast and need 1 move to trick his defender, he is one of the few players that can give a pass while the defender is still in front of him.
After his injury its not going well, i know he can be a worthy player so im in to give him a little more time. |
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Javid
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Mokum i`m not against of giving time to Derk.
Look we have second team for such situations.For players which are in need of gaining right conditions.
Don`t you think that it will be more wiser to move Boerrighter to second team and wait that guy while he improves?
And in fact i`m not speaking of moving him in the deepest reserve.But even blind dog can see that, boy simply cant stand on his feets.he is absolutely not ready.
Look at him for a few weeks while he just can run proper.As he was running before that bad injury, and only after put him back in squad.
And everything else like the feeling of the ball and vision of the pitch will come.
But instead of that we put him from game to game there.Forcing him to play.
But he cant.
Do you remember how one person said that he blames De Boer for ruining Boilesen Carierre?
He was not ready and he forced him to play against Man.utd.
Same goes for Siggi.
Same goes for Derk now.
Frank can`t simply saw the borders.
Sometimes i think that he thinks if he can use dopings and run like a horse at Barca in his time.Then everybody must so.
But he forgets that he was penalised for that drugs after that.
Or we must wait that Derk will gain his natural conditions in time when lose important points in home games agains such shit as utrecht which is almost semi-professional team compared to us?
When i speak about De Boers incompetence i`m telling you about this small cases.
in overall there a lot such a small cases that prevent us to gain important points.
For each one the cases are small.But when it comes one on another it causes problems.
But i see the problem not only in De Boer.
I think whole trainers are not on required level.Because if they were, one of them can show De Boer on his mistakes.One head is good, but 3 heads even better.
But instead of that we had some vegetables as Spijkerman sitting near De Boer.They have no weight on decisions as i guess.Because if they had, we shold not discuss this theme.
-- dit bericht is voor het laatst aangepast op woensdag 10 oktober 2012 door Javid -- |
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hippy
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quote:Op woensdag 10 oktober 2012 - 23:31 schreef Javid het volgende:Mokum i`m not against of giving time to Derk. Look we have second team for such situations.For players which are in need of gaining right conditions. Don`t you think that it will be more wiser to move Boerrighter to second team and wait that guy while he improves? And in fact i`m not speaking of moving him in the deepest reserve.But even blind dog can see that, boy simply cant stand on his feets.he is absolutely not ready. Look at him for a few weeks while he just can run proper.As he was running before that bad injury, and only after put him back in squad. And everything else like the feeling of the ball and vision of the pitch will come. But instead of that we put him from game to game there.Forcing him to play. But he cant. Do you remember how one person said that he blames De Boer for ruining Boilesen Carierre? He was not ready and he forced him to play against Man.utd. Same goes for Siggi. Same goes for Derk now. Frank can`t simply saw the borders. Sometimes i think that he thinks if he can use dopings and run like a horse at Barca in his time.Then everybody must so. But he forgets that he was penalised for that drugs after that. Or we must wait that Derk will gain his natural conditions in time when lose important points in home games agains such shit as utrecht which is almost semi-professional team compared to us? When i speak about De Boers incompetence i`m telling you about this small cases. in overall there a lot such a small cases that prevent us to gain important points. For each one the cases are small.But when it comes one on another it causes problems. But i see the problem not only in De Boer. I think whole trainers are not on required level.Because if they were, one of them can show De Boer on his mistakes.One head is good, but 3 heads even better. But instead of that we had some vegetables as Spijkerman sitting near De Boer.They have no weight on decisions as i guess.Because if they had, we shold not discuss this theme. +14 ;))... But!!!....here it comes...
Putting in to much young players at once is not a good idea...
You may have a point on blind playing midfield...
And i think if boilesen is fit in about 50 years, ;)), blind can move up there...
As i said before...at this point blind is the best option for lb at this point...
Thats why they bought poulsen, to fill up the team...
Cause i think that sporkslede is a better player than poulsen, but you cant let him play every match...
Moisander is a nervouse wreck and always looks at the ball or his opponent....
You should do both, but first your opponent...
The ball cant score goals...:)))...its that simple...
Schone is in fact a nr 10 like eriksen....
Maybe it is wise if you want to play with de jong, you move him back to nr 6 position and move schone forward next to eriksen...
But before we totally get in a negative state, we must remember that we just started the season and anything can happen...
Lets just see where we stand in the winter and judge then...
Its always small adjustments that make teams play better together...
You have new players on crucial positions if you want to play attacking football and it needs getting known to it... |
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Javid
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The best forward of latest 5 matches starts from bench.
In exchange wooden Siem starts as number 9.
Frank continues to shock everybody with his wise and logical choices!
Its comedy. Comedy with every chance to become a tragedy of lost points points today.Again.Viva Frank. The best coach ever.Come on!!)))) |
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You are irritating me,nothing is good in you're eyes.
Who the fuck do you think you are,go support your local club we don't need that shit of you're telling us.
Cruijff is nothing,de Boer is nothing,youth players are nothing..........pffffff fuck off ouwe,you are nothing.
In a matter off fact,i think you are a hoax......you are a dutch boy who founds it interesting to post in english.
Met andere woorden.....je kan never nooit google translate gebruiken om te begrijpen wat wij allemaal posten,of je leest nederlands,en als je dat kan,kan je het ook schrijven.........je bent één grote grap man,en het heeft lang genoeg geduurd |
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| I am not confinced of who you are,don,t understand that you can use google translator to understand us |
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Javid
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So strange that first in private you write me things like i`m welcome in your home, then you are insulting me here.Kind of strange.
You are right.
I`m undestand nothing of ajax?! =) but two weeks ago i wrote about your idiot Frank:
quote:Op woensdag 10 oktober 2012 - 18:35 schreef Javid het volgende:[..] I guess even lasse schone will be more important for the team than that woodstick Siem if Frank would give him fair chance to establish himslef as a basic player.He uses Schone as a defensive midfielder and what a moron and idiot you should be to use a player who several years ago was one of the best scoring midfielders in the league as a defensive one? AND HERE WE GO!!!! Schone today plays as an atacking midfielder and already in first half get almost 2 goals for us Ajax.
Even i, the person who looks games by internet know about players more than your idiot headcoach. |
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Javid
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| There is no need to be Wanga to see ovious things that your sweethaert Frank has no IQ to see. |
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Javid
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| Thanks a lot Frank.Great job, motherfucker. |
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